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My comments about the Liferay WebDAV support in this whiny article are incorrect. As of Liferay 5.1 WebDAV does seem to work since I replaced a goofy NIC in my server. Please see the article comments for more information.

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Once again I find myself stuck between two partial solutions that I can't combine to solve what seems to me to be a rather simple problem. Here it is:

1) I need a "portal".
2) I need a document management "portlet".
3) I must access the document management system via CIFS or WebDAV.
4) The system must be somewhat seamless; single sign on at least.

After reviewing some options, I decided that Liferay should be able to meet my requirements. It's a "portal" with lots of "portlets" included, including document management. (notice my sarcastic quotation marks)

DENIED: Liferay's WebDAV doesn't work well enough to be considered well enough.

Ok ok, I've heard a lot of talk on the ol' blogosphere about integrating Alfresco and Liferay. From all the buzz it must be a pretty good solution, especially with all this "web script" stuff on the Alfresco side. Plus Alfresco has some great features that I can take advantage of, and I know that it's CIFS support works because I've used it in the past.

FAIL. Liferay and Alfresco do not mix. Like, not at all. Well, not if you want to use Alfresco 2.1 Community or better. (BTW, the latest Liferay Alfresco Content Portlet 5.0.0.1 uses Alfresco 2.0) Ok ok, I'm being a little too negative. They do mix I'm sure if you write your own authentication filter to make SSO work. No problem!

You see, both Liferay and Alfresco love talking it up about standards support, like JSR-168, but it seems that neither of them pull it off well enough to, you know, INTEROPERATE.

The guy (guys?) at Cignex have a supposed solution using CAS between the two, but Alfresco doesn't jive with CAS as easily as Liferay, and I couldn't get this working reliably for SSO. I even bought this book called "Liferay Portal Enterprise Intranets" by Jonas Yuan in anticipation of the Alfresco integration section. What a complete bust and $60 down the drain. The book isn't necessarily bad, but the devil is in the details and the book is unfortunately devil-free.

Not suprisingly, another solution is to simply purchase Alfresco Enterprise, because it uses a different code base than community. In fact, Alfresco Enterprise 2.2+ will work with Liferay while Alfresco Community 2.9B will not. Open source? Sorta.

Frankly, I'm a little bit suprised to see the world of open source portals and document mangagement systems still in such a ridiculous state. Liferay has more bugs than a volkswagon dealer and both Liferay and Alfresco are stupidly difficult to configure in any interesting way, as all Java-based web applications seem to be. XML NIGHTMARE! Here's a tip: if it takes weeks just to understand how to configure your software, then your software isn't finished. Excessive meta configuration files are not a feature. Most of your users don't give a shit about Java Beans or any other beans for that matter.

Community? Not very good in either camp. Outdated documents, wikis (DIE WIKI DIE) and very poor forum support.

Not to just pick on Liferay and Alfresco, I've also tried out Exo and Icecore (built on Liferay) with limited success. I've looked at the JBoss portal a few times also but I just can't get over them basing their forum portlet on phpBB. I know, sounds petty, but phpBB....jesus...I don't want to think about this anymore. Bye.

Oh, and one more thing (damn I'm frustrated). HTTP Basic Auth is NOT a good solution for any feature of any software intended to be used in the Enterprise. (yes, including the Starship Enterprise) Pushing it over SSL only makes transport safer, and doesn't solve the root problem. (and we're just self-signing anyhow, even if we don't like to admit to it) And entering a password into a browser is NOT a good solution, ever. Receiving a password from a web browser is NOT a good solution. This is all the more true on the Starship Enterprise where people are either using potentially weak SSO or making all of their passwords match. The last thing you want are domain passwords in your damn browser cookies. I'm looking at you, REST authentication appologist!

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Jorge Ferrer said...

Hi,

You should try out Liferay 5.1 which is being uploaded to the SourceForge repositories as I write. It has a much improved WebDAV support.

SM2K said...

It may be improved in 5.1, but it's still not working well enough to use from XP clients. This is a little bit frustrating since WebDAV is nothing new and there should be at least one opensource library that could be used to ease the implementation burden.

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Hi sm2k,

That's what I thought too, but unfortunately all OpenSource implementations we've tried to use are super buggy to say the least. We've ended up implementing our own but it's taken some time to support all the existing clients (which unfortunately are often not very compliant to standards).

As I said, 5.1 should be quite better than previous releases. So far it's worked fine in every WebDAV client I've tested.

SM2K said...

Good news! The problem wasn't Liferay at all, but a bad network card in my test server. I noticed that I was getting terribly slow FTP uploads to the machine so I dug into the problem a little and ended up tossing a new NIC in the machine. The FTP problem went away so I decided just for kicks to fire up Liferay and to my surprise WebDAV works just fine!

I think what was happening is that the transfer was starting very slowly due to the bad card, and so the Liferay WebDAV server was giving up on it. Interestingly enough, it wasn't actually due to a "bad" card. It was a standard Realtek piece of junk and replacing it with a similar card didn't fix the problem (same chipset, different manufacturer). I ended up putting an old 3Com card in there which worked. I'm using an OpenVZ kernel so maybe that had something to do with with the issue; Realtek chipsets are widely supported in my experience.

Looks like I need to take some comments back. I was definately in the wrong here.

Jorge Ferrer said...

Great news!,

Thanks for letting us know :)

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